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Nonsmokers have gripes with ban

Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008

Updated: Thursday, December 11, 2008 22:12

    What do sports arenas, restaurants and car washes all have in common? There might not be many obvious answers; however, there is one very important response. Any guesses? If not, you probably aren't a smoker.

    That's right. These, among many other businesses, are being forced to enforce tobacco-related regulations put in place by a recently passed ordinance in Manhattan. We all know it, but some have yet to come to terms with it.

    I, personally, am not a smoker. I can't stand the habit and prefer not to have smoke in my face. While you might think I agree with this rubbish that came with the smoking ban, I do not. I am the type of person that doesn't want to give up any rights, even those I don't use. Who's to say one day I won't want to light up? Though I likely never will, I want to be able to have the right to do it, especially at a bar.

    Here's the problem. When many Manhattan citizens voted on the issue, they weren't voting with all the facts. According to ci.manhattan.ks.us, the ballot only explained that smoking would be eliminated within public places and places of employment, while also expressing a biased stance on secondhand smoke and "nonsmokers rights."
    But what about that silly "can't smoke within 20 feet of an entrance or parking lot, so smoke doesn't enter the establishment's building" part?
    Here's what I want to know: What about those people who live in lofts above businesses in Aggieville that choose to step outside to have a cigarette? We do have a choice as to whether we will smoke in our homes, but is it going to be regulated that these people cannot smoke on their balconies for fear that smoke will creep down the building and slide into the door?    
    Or what about those who live inconveniently within 20 feet of a convenience store? I have seen a multitude of homes located within this distance, and I can't help but wonder if their rights are being violated. Though the outlines for this part of the law indicate it will not infringe upon private residences, one must worry if this will inadvertently happen.

    For this nonsense to have been voted for, a petition signed by 1,300 residents claiming smoke is a "public nuisance" was required. Of course, these signatures were obtained, and you know the petitioners stayed as far away from Aggieville as possible.

    At any rate, being caught with a cigarette in public is now a misdemeanor. All I can hope is that there aren't too many officers out and about putting out cigarettes and writing tickets rather than doing bigger things, like combating drunk driving.

    So, I pose my question to you again: What do bars, restaurants and pubs have in common? That's easy. You won't find me in any of them. I'd rather be at a friend's house where I can exercise my freedoms and rights as an American citizen.

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Your name
Tue Jul 7 2009 20:11
I think there should be smoking parlors and bars and restaurants that announce "smokers welcome." Also smoking areas in office buildings. I don't want to bar someone from smoking, I just want to breathe outside.
No smoking outside where children and people walk down the streets in the park. It's insane how much more smoke there is outside since it was banned inside. People walk to work smoking, because they want that last cig. They run outside on their breaks and lunch to smoke. They are outside of bars, restaurants smoking...smoking when they walk and talk. Give them some place to smoke. Give us who are choking some fresh air!
Your name
Tue Jun 16 2009 21:41
Cops really don't give a damn about this. I personally have been told to put a cigarette out on the patio of tubby's, but then I walked out front and lit up another. Moments later the cops came out of the bar and saw me smoking again and didn't say anything.
Your name
Sat Jan 10 2009 17:53
Let's ban car exhaust or obesity within 20 feet of any business establishment, talk about waste...
dob3777
Tue Jan 6 2009 15:32
How many hours a day do you have to spend in a bar breathing secondhand smoke before you get lung cancer? If you spend that much time in a bar you probably have a bigger problem, like cirrhosis.
Frustrated
Sat Dec 27 2008 19:23
The problem is not that we've banned smoking in establishments, it's that we've taken the right of a business owner from running their business in the manner they see fit. If employees don't want to be around cigarette smoke, work in smoke-free establishments. (BTW most bartenders and bar employees I've run into ARE SMOKERS.) The problem with the ordinance is NOT that it bans smoking from public establishments, it's that it bans it from all establishments that have employees. It should be up to the business owner whether to follow the ordinance or privatize their business so they can run it how they choose.
Oh, and making it illegal to smoke on a golf course, are you KIDDING ME? It's outside and you're most likely playing with your buddies, who probably share your habits. I've rarely come into close contact with other golfers...without intentionally doing so.
Mike Smith
Wed Dec 17 2008 11:48
Hey Joel. I saw you out recently at a bar and a restaurant. Dont lie to us or you wont have friends houses to go to when you want to put your rights to use.
B
Tue Dec 16 2008 11:40
Get a clue Mr. Campbell. Your articles suggests that personal rights and liberties are only allowed for those who engage in activities that are a public nuisance and socially expensive in the form of health care costs as well as other associated issues such as waste products etc. such that the tobacco industry produces. In that vein of logic it is ok to beat your children, abuse your spouse, steal a tv etc because I have a personal and civil right to do those things and no one especially the government can tell me I can't.
Your name
Tue Dec 16 2008 11:03
i love the people who just want to personally attack the columnnist, and have no relevant point to make, nice going....
Captain Morgan
Tue Dec 16 2008 03:05
I was not aware secondhand smoke was a myth. That changes everything. I suppose for those that can't accept that, maybe breathing just isn't for you.
Fear the Reaper
Mon Dec 15 2008 20:22
The only problem with cigarettes is that they work too slowly. Oh how much better the world would be if they would kill their victims sooner.
Your name
Mon Dec 15 2008 16:39
ok your rights to good health? You're still going to be exposed to second-hand smoke if the smokers are outside. This is not fixing anything! If you dont want second hand smoke then DONT go to the bars! Or anywhere else for that matter! Exposure to second hand smoke is inevitable everywhere! Open your eyes
Your name
Mon Dec 15 2008 14:33
You know what else bars, restaurants and pubs have in common? They are all less lame now that you will not be in any of them.
Peter Sultana
Mon Dec 15 2008 12:44
Joel,
As one of those who voted "without all the facts", take a look around you. Cities all around the U.S. and Kansas have successfully implement smoking bans. Next time I advise getting involved in the process like voting or organizing. If you feel this is worthwhile to challenge in court, please do so. The good establishments in Manhattan who lose your dollars will gladly accept mine and many others. They certainly won't forget you.
Your name
Mon Dec 15 2008 11:45
What about my rights to good health?
Your name
Mon Dec 15 2008 11:33
I find it funny that you all gripe and whine about secondhand smoke (which most smokers are polite enough to NOT blow it in your face....my friends and i used to stand a good fifteen feet away from non smokers and blow in the OTHER direction out of courtesy) as though it's gonna wipe us all out by itself.....anyone considered that the number one killer in america is heart disease? Maybe we shouldn't be so consumed with what other people are doing and all consider cutting back on fast food and twinkies so that maybe America won't be the most obese country in the world. For heaven's sake, leave the smokers alone and go think of other ways to make yourself healthy WITHOUT infringing on my rights.

thanks muchly :)

Sas
Mon Dec 15 2008 10:08
As a cancer survivor, who had to witness fellow patients suffer terrible lung cancer deaths, put the damn cigaretts out and quit whining. 20 feet is NOT far enough, and everytime you drop one of your butts, your are contaminating EVERONES soil and water. It ain't just the air we need to be concerned with.
Your name
Mon Dec 15 2008 02:34
First of all, the 20 feet from the building is ridiculous because SMOKERS WILL HAVE TO STAND IN THE STREET! Are you kidding me?! And second of all, is this really going to prevent second hand smoke (which is a myth anyway)? Think about it. I guarantee a good percentage of the people that go into a bar will smoke. There are probably several hundred people in Aggieville on a weekend. So if most of those people are outside smoking, wouldnt people walking by still come in contact with second hand smoke regardless of where they stand? I dont understand it. Sounds very contradictory to me. The fact that it's infringing on our right to smoke is garbage as well. I will be appalled if i see people being forced to put their cigarettes out just becasue they aren't standing in the street (which is where they will virtually be. That's about 20 feet from the building. If you don't believe me check out the sidewalk in Aggieville. It's very narrow). The big problem I have with this ban is you can't even smoke on the OUTSIDE patio at the bar. What is with that?! I don't understand this rule. It's bogus, and it's just another way to control us. Being the smoker that I am, someone will probably shoot back at this and applaud the smoking ban. Well, think what you want. The bottom line is, I'm not completely disgusted by the fact that we can't smoke inside. I can understand that somewhat. But 20 feet away from the building? Not in the patio? Isn't making us just come outside enough? That's just what I think. Say what you want, but this ban is ridiculous.
Your name
Sun Dec 14 2008 04:45
I don't feel sorry for the smokers. They have chosen a nasty habit that is killing them slowly, I see it everyday as a nurse. I personally don't need to breathe in their second hand smoke when I am in a bar or restaurant. I also think it is disgusting that when I come home from bars/restaurants I have the nasty smell all over me and my clothes. Children also do not deserve to be subject to the second hand smoke. There is only one aspect of this ordinance that I do not like. I personally do not believe that the businesses should have to pay a fine/ticket for people smoking within twenty feet of the building. Business owner's do not have time to police their own front door, they have a business to run. The people who should pay are the smokers. They chose the deadly habit and any other person who chooses not to do such a habit should not have to accomodate them.
Your name
Fri Dec 12 2008 18:04
20 feet is a long distance tho
Your name
Fri Dec 12 2008 09:46
I do not think it is silly that people cannot smoke within 20 feet of an entrance. Every morning I walk into a campus building and there is a man standing out there smoking (within 20 feet) I have to walk through his smoke and I personally do not enjoy breathing this. I think it is a great idea to ban smoking by entrances.

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