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Airline incident caused by government

By Frank Male

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Published: Friday, August 28, 2009

Updated: Wednesday, September 9, 2009

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Frank Male

We often hear stories about airplane nightmares, from the classic and prevalent “lost baggage” issue to the fantastical “Snakes on a Plane” movie. A few weeks ago, a whopper of a nightmare ignited debate: Passengers aboard a Continental Airlines flight were stuck on the tarmac of Rochester, Minn., for six whole hours.

That’s six hours in a cramped airplane with babies, no refreshments and an overwhelmed toilet. An AP article called the incident “surreal” and said it “could give a lift to legislation” designed to combat such lengthy stays on the tarmac.

It wasn’t long before there were cries for a Passengers’ Bill of Rights. Passenger-right advocates, speaking for passengers much like Ralph Nader, speak for consumers, jumped right on the issue and away we went.

“More regulation! More laws! More government control of airlines!” The cries go, “we can’t trust airlines!”

Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N. D.), chairman of the aviation operations subcommittee, said of the incident, “There needs to be some common sense used in these cases.”

Sen. Dorgan, I agree. The calls for a “fix” came far before the facts of the incident were weighed, so why don’t we look at the evidence now that we have the benefit of hindsight? Let’s see where common sense failed.

Why would Continental shoot themselves in the foot by leaving passengers stranded on a tarmac for 6 hours? Well, it took a chain of events to reach that point.

First: There were thunderstorms preventing landing at Minneapolis - not Continental’s fault.

Second: Dispatchers decided to wait out the storm and leave the plane at Rochester - makes sense. Thunderstorms don’t usually last long enough to cause a serious delay. Freaks of weather like what struck Minneapolis that night aren’t something you can plan for.

Third: They couldn’t leave the plane at night because that would have required getting rechecked through security and security had already left for the night - sounds like the government’s fault. Our nation’s beloved, draconian security measures cause enough problems when things are going right at the airport, and they really screwed over these passengers.

Fourth: When the plane finally did get clearance to take off, the flight crew had been working longer than allowed by federal laws, so a new crew had to be flown in - why, that sounds like the government meddling again.

Fifth: At 6 a.m., when security was back for the day, the passengers were allowed onto the terminal. It then took two-and-one-half hours to re-board them onto the same plane and get them in the air for Minneapolis - security was really on top of it that day, you can tell.

In the aftermath, there was a lot of finger pointing at Continental and ExpressJet Airlines, the carrier in charge of that flight. Although the passengers could have been kept in a secured portion of the terminal and not be forced to deal with security, the ground crew did not know this. They were certain that government regulations required security personnel to be present.

Once again, we have the vast morass of government regulations causing confusion and delay. The Aviation and Transportation Security Act of 2001 and the portion of the U.S. Code pertaining to aviation combine to total 394 pages. That’s not something that ground crews are ever going to know back-to-front. The huge bureaucracies of the Transportation Security Authority and the Federal Aviation Administration make their own pronouncements and deals in addition to the legislation, making airlines one of the most regulated businesses in the United States.

With all of this government, we still have passengers stuck on the tarmac for 6 hours. Maybe it is time to consider that the government has a lot more responsibility for this incident than the airline does.

Airlines in a free market just don’t do these kind of things. Airlines in a regulated market get forced to.

Comments

8 comments
NSDY
Thu Sep 3 2009 20:17
Let’s look at your “arguments”:

1) Has nothing to do with government

2) Same as #1

3) In my experience working for an airline actual airline personnel is required to perform the security check , not the TSA (who you fail to even mention by name).

4) The Federal Aviation Regulations don’t allow more than an eight hour duty day, but that can be extended to up to 16 hours during irregular operations. So in this case the pilots had been on duty so long that they had passed this limit. This limit (which has not been modified since the 1940’s) is there as a safety measure to protect the flying public from a potential accident from an extremely fatigued crew.

5) You need to provide more than an anecdotal story to make an argument.

So out of the five points you raise in your article you have incorrect information (#3), an argument that pilots should be on duty for more than 16 hours per day (#4) and an anecdotal story (#5). You also completely gloss over the fact that there was a solution to the problem: cancel the flight and bus them to Minneapolis. Continental Express attempted to do this but was told by Mesaba Airlines (who had ground personnel in Rochester) that there were no more buses available—I guess the government must had something to do with that as well.

L S Wyatt
Wed Sep 2 2009 08:08
Come on folks, there was a simple, common sense answer here. These people did not need to spend hours locked on this plane. I would bet that every one of you could have come up wih a senseable solution. More government is not the answer. Elsewhere in this paper is an article about allowing alcohol sales on Sunday. Why is this even open for discussion? If you are a responsible adult, who has the right to restrict when you can purchase a legal item? In Washington they are working on a tax on soft drinks and chips! I think that I am old enough to decide when I can have a soda. Who gives them the right to micro-manage our lives? Oh wait, that would be us, when we vote or fail to vote.
Levi
Mon Aug 31 2009 10:50
Glad to see that you are going to be a professional reporter one day, you are right in line with the rest of them, thinking that you know what you are talking about when brushing over the facts. There was a whole series of errors that are over looked here. ExpressJet does not operate in the airport in which they diverted, so they had no one to handle the flight. You can't get people off the flight if you can't get someone to connect the bridge to the aircraft. Also, the government security agruement you presented, is extremely poor. If someone was able to unload the flight, as long as passengers stayed in the secured area (also known as the SIDA area or post security area) there was no need for security personal to be there. This is because the secured area does not become unsecure when security leaves, it just means no one can get screened to enter an aircraft. These passengers were already screened, so if the airline wanted to allow them to exit the aircraft this would have been fine. Furthermore, if you are using the security agruement, the checkpoint usually opens (according to reports) around 0430, the passengers didn't deplane until around 0600, this further shows the agrument is falso. There were be much finger pointing between the various airlines that operate out of Rochester, ExpressJet, Continental, and the airport. What needs to happen is not a Passenger Bill of Rights, sorry those that think there should be, the massive effect of cancellations, loss revenue, and out of position planes would be more then airlines could handle.
Mark
Fri Aug 28 2009 19:17
marty, hold the command key and press the + button when you want to zoom in for your computer (if its a mac, otherwise check the windows taskbar for the shortcut command)

"your name", what incentive does the airline have to send a tired crew up where they might make fatal mistakes? they don't. the incentive is to operate the airline safely and efficiently so that people want to come back again. for some reason alot of people think that the bigger the company is, the more they want to kill people at the expense of making a profit. nonsense. how is death good for business? it's not.

Stu - when you grow up and find you can't take a piss without government funded studies and approval then you will understand the value of individual freedom. or maybe you don't care and never will understand, in which case i hope you are busy reading regulations when it's time to vote.

Russ T
Fri Aug 28 2009 19:12
The government is an easy target but your argument is pretty weak. The primary government culprit was the regulation that required a change in flight crew and as a frequent flyer I think that's a pretty good regulation. The major issue is that the airline failed to plan for this occurrence and when it happened none of the people in change had the common sense or ability to think outside the box
Marty
Fri Aug 28 2009 12:14
Dude- change your font!! your page is almost unreadable with the micro-font and purple background. It doesnt matter what you have to say if nobody can read it!
Your name
Fri Aug 28 2009 11:30
Regarding 4, ummmm, so you would have been okay with a tired crew flying you out? The airline should have been proactive and started the ball rolling on gettting another crew on its way to the airport. And if they got there after the plane with original crew got out, fine, but if not, the new crew would have been there to take over. But that costs money and staffing, both of which airlines are cutting to the bone these days. You can't particularly blame the airline for this either due to cut-throat competition.that has emerged since The Airline Deregulation Act. What we need to stop this is more regulation, not less.
Stu
Fri Aug 28 2009 09:39
Regulating the hours a flight crew can work "sounds like the government meddling ?" What an a@@hole! Perhaps when you grow up you'll understand the need for SOME types of regulations.






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