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Qaddafi no threat to US, Obama should not interfere

Published: Sunday, April 3, 2011

Updated: Monday, April 4, 2011 10:04

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Erin Logan

For a Nobel Peace Prize winner, Barack Obama sure has killed a lot of people. The president has sent troops to Afghanistan, launched drone strikes in Pakistan, and actively maintained the occupation of Iraq he promised to end.

Obama's endless, aimless wars have cost hundreds of American lives and obliterated thousands of civilians. His obscene military budget, the largest since Word War II, has left beleaguered taxpayers with a debt greater than every other president in history combined.

Now, as the US spends upwards of $1 billion fighting Operation Odyssey Dawn in Libya, Obama has become the first Nobel Peace Prize winner to fire cruise missiles. Why did he win that prize again?

In his defense, Obama actually told us that he believed in launching unprovoked wars as he was accepting the peace prize. Apparently the Nobel Committee didn't have a problem with that. I guess if you worship someone enough to give them a prize for no reason, you'll overlook anything.

The US should not be in Libya. The job of American soldiers is to protect America, not needlessly risk their lives babysitting the entire world. Resolving conflicts on the other side of the planet is not the legal responsibility of American taxpayers. Odyssey Dawn, an unnecessary police action against a nation that posed no threat to the United States, is both unconstitutional and an impeachable offense.

Don't take it from me; ask the Obama-Biden ticket. In a Dec. 20, 2007, interview with the Boston Globe, Obama, a constitutional scholar, explained that "the president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

Appearing on MSNBC Dec. 3, 2007, Joe Biden said "The President has no constitutional authority to take this nation to war against a country of 70 million people unless we're attacked, or unless there is proof that we are about to be attacked. If he does, I would move to impeach him."

Despite Obama's promise that "We are not going to use force to go beyond a well-defined goal, specifically, the protection of civilians in Libya," missile attacks have been directed at Tripoli and Qaddafi's compound, according to a March 20 CNN article. Odyssey Dawn doesn't stop at merely enforcing a "no-fly zone." The US has already attacked so many ground targets in Libya that Arab League chief Amr Moussa has accused America of the "bombardment of civilians," according to a March 21 Arab News article.

Although the administration has painted the operation as an international effort, the US has fired most of the cruise missiles that have hit Libya. Germany, Brazil, Russia, India, and China have all opted not to take part in the attack. In a March 19 CNN interview, Vice Admiral William Gortney referred to "Tomahawk cruise missiles fired from both U.S. and British ships and submarines" before later admitting that only "one British submarine" had helped with his efforts. If history is any indicator, when a war is sold to the public as an international effort, we can expect America to end up bearing the brunt of the burden.

Einstein said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." After watching pointless interventions fail and backfire from Vietnam to Iraq, it should be apparent that military action in Libya is insane. How many countries do we have to needlessly invade before we realize that doing so does nothing more than generate hatred and recruit terrorists?

In the 1930s, American civilians who were passionate about the Spanish Civil War volunteered to travel to Spain and fight, calling themselves the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. Today, proponents of intervention in Libya would rather send someone else's son or daughter to die while they watch it on MSNBC.

If the fight against Qaddafi is important to you, do something about it yourself rather than expending the men and women who've volunteered to protect you. At the very least, donate your own money instead of expecting the rest of the country to pay for it. If, on the other hand, you continue to support Obama unconditionally, please take that peace sign bumper sticker off your car.

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Anonymous
Wed Apr 20 2011 21:45
Remind me again, what was so great about Obama to warrant the rock star status that he had in the months leading up to the election? What has he managed to accomplish while in office? He's run up the deficit and the national debt to nightmare proportions threatening our economy. He has gotten us into a third war simply because the international community approves of it. He pushed through Obamascare which will lead to rationing of health care.

So, what was it about Obama that lead to a landslide victory in 2008? He had no experience which now is painfully obvious. He had no business sense as evidenced by a plan to parlay two Ivy League degrees into a Community Organizer position.

I suspect that he was the beneficiary of liberal white guilt that still lingers over the injustice of slavery. The media is definately liberal, or at least it appears that way due to their lack of economic intelligence. Obama was the darling of the media in 2008 because because as a well-spoken, articulate, black man he was someone that white liberals could vote for and purge their liberal white guilt.

In 2012 please vote intelligently with an eye toward real economic issues such as a balanced budget. Remember that Obama promised that his spending programs were going to be spending-neutral as he was going to find expense cuts to offset his spending.

He has failed us. Vote smart America. Kick out the bum in 2012.

Anonymous
Wed Apr 6 2011 17:45
If Biden or Palin, as commander in chief, actively worked to maintain them, they would absolutely become their endless, aimless wars.

Obama escalated Afghanistan. He ordered strikes in Pakistan. Now he's meddling in Libya.

Ben: The Obama and Biden quotes were not presented as a logical basis for opposing the war. They were presented as evidence for Obama and Biden's hypocrisy. Debt, strategy, and ethics were presented as the basis for opposing the war. If you really didn't get this, your certainly weren't playing dumb.

You actually did say recon. Check your post. The column doesn't say there is no foreign involvement, it says that America is shouldering "the brunt of the burden", which you've now conceded ("the quantity that Americans are sending to Libya is considerably more").

Your initial objection was that the column didn't provide any real reasons for why the US shouldn't be in Libya. I pointed out 3 reasons it provided: economic (debt) strategic (generating hate, terrorists) and ethical (US soldiers should not be sacrificed when US interests aren't at stake).

So what's your objection? Are you denying that these reasons are provided in the article?

Anonymous
Tue Apr 5 2011 17:52
I think Ian's written a good article, and I like the general anti-war tone, but it's inflammatory to refer to these as "Obama's endless, aimless wars." If Obama were assassinated tomorrow (heaven forbid), would they become "Biden's endless, aimless wars?" If Palin were elected (heaven forbid?), would they be "Palin's endless, aimless wars?" These are *America's* wars. I agree with what seems to be Ian's point that it's a general failure of our leadership that gets us into these wars, but they're not the sole doing of Obama.
Ben
Tue Apr 5 2011 09:38
To: Anonymous:

-Where in any of my responses did I allude to the fact that this article didn't have inconsistent quotes from Obama and Biden. I don't doubt what was said by Obama and his half-wit side kick but I still maintain that it's not a good reason to base an opinion off of. Anyone can say that when they become President the world will be a place of flowing meadows and fluttering butterflies but the reality is when you're sitting in that chair what was said to get votes and what is done to run a country when the eyes of the world are on you will more than likely be two different things. Maybe what you do won't be the right thing but that's for what opinion articles are for I guess.

-Don't play dumb either. I didn't just say recon. Both French, British and Danish jets have been engaging targets both in the air and on the ground (called sorties) just as long as the Americans have been launching missiles. I will admit that the quantity that Americans are sending to Libya is considerably more but that doesn't discount involvement. In addition the Brits have sent more than one submarine. They have two frigates participating in the blockade along with vessels from other countries like Turkey, now that NATO has taken control.

-"Flashy rhetorical style". Are you sure you didn't right this article? C'mon fess up. No this article's "flashy rhetorical style" didn't "piss me off". It spurred me to strike up a conversation about the subject, which is what the comment section is for. And if my comments are a bit long-winded then my apologies but at least I'm forming complete thoughts rather than putting a moronic one-sentence comment like "Obama sucks, he's a socialist!" or "The Tea Party is the new KKK". Are you sure my sarcasm and flashy rhetoric (if there is any) isn't just pissing you off?

Anonymous
Tue Apr 5 2011 00:04
Ben: Your reply was as much of an opinion piece as this column. Why should the column���s author provide something that you didn���t?

Don���t play dumb - the column quotes Obama and Biden to question their consistency ��� a perfectly legitimate objection - , not make a logical argument against intervention.

The column���s reasoning against intervention is economic (debt) strategic (generating hate, terrorists) and ethical (US soldiers should not be sacrificed when US interests aren���t at stake). I don���t know what else you want ��� all I���m getting is that you don���t like the column because it���s flashy rhetorical style pissed you off.

-Suppose that America suffers from a nation-wide disaster. We (for some reason) call upon China to help us. They refuse.
This might piss a lot of Americans off at China, but it���s not going to provide much incentive for other Americans to join my anti-Chinese terrorist group and conduct attacks in China. At the very least, it���s going to provide way less incentive to do this than if China drops bombs on us or Chinese soldiers are walking up and down American streets.

-Fourth paragraph from the bottom. Good for the French ��� recon isn���t cheap. Unless of course you compare it to cruise missiles, the vast majority of which have been fired by the US.
Why didn���t Britain send more than one submarine? If France is so eager to take charge, why don���t they send a few?

Anonymous: Obama pushed to maintain the wars and then started another one. He isn���t slowly moving us further away from Bush - he���s taking us further in Bush���s direction. Put policy ahead of personality.

Anonymous
Mon Apr 4 2011 18:34
I don't disagree with the sentiment but attacking Obama? He inherited the wars and the the massive expenses along with them from Bush. He cannot be blamed for trying to fully commit to the wars (by sending more troops) in an effort to end them. Trying to ostracize Obama for Bush's mistakes is just a ploy to show democrats in a negative light. Its too early to comment on the events in Libya in my opinion. Wait to see how Obama handles it.
Ben
Mon Apr 4 2011 17:21
To anonymous:

I can't seem to find the moral standpoint in my response either, mainly because it was never my intention to provide one, and if there is one then...oops.

Maybe I didn't point it out clearly enough in my response, but I agree that the U.S. has no business in Libya. My disagreement with the article comes with how its presented. Basing the reason on staying out of the conflict on what Obama said pre-election is ludicrous to me, because that would imply that politicians are dishonest people that say things to make us feel better about voting for them and man would that be a shock to the system if that were true.

-We don't have business in Libya, not because of the "promises" Obama made, but because its a trip down a slippery slope we are already traveling down head first. Gone are the days of secretly overthrowing governments. Now were doing it publicly, and there are only two scenarios that can come from it in my opinion. Other countries are going to hate us for it, which is already a routine thing, or those countries undergoing their own power struggles are going to wonder where their cruise missiles and tomahawks are and when we don't deliver, they're going to hate us for it.

-Yes it is bad PR to be dropping bombs in the first place but the truth of the matter is America has an image problem brought on by the mistakes we've made in the middle east and the idiots the media portrays on TV on a regular basis, but despite all that we're still in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position. We do nothing, we're looked at as apathetic and uncaring to the death and suffering of other people. (See: Rwanda and Ghana) We intervene and we're looked at as warmongering psychopaths. (See: Iraq, Somalia, Libya, etc.). I'm sure this is on Obama's mind when making a decision like this and though I think he chose wrong, I can sympathize that there is clearly no easy choice to make.

-Where does this article provide proof that this is not an international effort. Allow my to shoulder my burden. Initial action in Libya began with the French with Operation Harmattan, They began operations in Libya with recon and sorties and most of the air-space policing has been handled by the RAF and French Air Force. In addition there has been friction within the coalition over how ambitious France was in wanting to lead the campaign. Not to mention that actions are now under the control of NATO since March 31st.

-Finally I will concede on the point of "invasion" though in my defense, I interpreted this articles definition as hyperbole involving boots on the ground and cities occupied.

Anonymous
Mon Apr 4 2011 16:06
Ben, the article lays out some morals and then explains how Obama's actions contradict them. Don't you regularly do the same - or do you articulate your entire moral system it's entirety every time you make an argument of any kind?

You certainly haven't here - I don't see how you expect as much from an article only slightly longer than your response.

As a general rule, it hurts from a public relations standpoint when we blow up people who haven't attacked us. In much of the Middle East, this is America killing Muslims - again.

invade
���verb (used with object)
1. to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent: Germany invaded Poland in 1939.
2. to enter like an enemy: Locusts invaded the fields.

Did the Japanese not "invade" our airspace when they attacked Pearl Harbor? Would you have prefered "enter militarily?"

"The backing of other nations" is a joke. The article evidences this - the burden is now on you to demonstrate otherwise. Iraq was supposed to be an "international effort" and look how that turned out.

The job of the military includes intervention in irrelevant conflicts? According to who? George Washington said ���I have always given it as my decided opinion that no nation had a right to inter-meddle in the internal concerns of another; and that, if this country could, consistent with its engagements, maintain a strict neutrality and thereby preserve peace���.

Anonymous
Mon Apr 4 2011 14:02
Ian likes to accuse liberals of hypocrisy, but I bet he supported the war in iraq when bush was president.
Ben
Mon Apr 4 2011 13:07
.......A few things.

First, this is not a soapbox event where you stand in front of a microphone and shout flurries of off the cuff rhetoric to a brainwashed crowd that probably cheer for you the same if you passionately blurted out the lyrics of "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star". This is an opinion article, therefore you have time to think about your words and the points you are trying to get across. Even more so, there's that magical "delete" button that allows you to erase anything idiotic that ends up on the page. It's plain to see that the button was not put to very good use in this instance but I digress.

Second, what idea are you actually trying to convince here? That U.S. doesn't belong in Libya, or that Obama shouldn't have won a peace prize? From the "logic" that I can glean from this piece it would seem that if Obama didn't have a peace prize then it would be OK for him to make it rain hellfire, because that certainly seems to be the case you're stating.

Third, I'm trying to find a justification in this article about why exactly the U.S. shouldn't be involved with Libya, other than "war = bad". Allow me to help you, we don't belong in Libya because it sets a precedent for other nations going through the same crisis of governmental identity. It hurts us from a public relations standpoint because we are picking and choosing where to get involved. We are seeing similar demonstrations taking place in Yemen and Bahrain and if the level of violence continues to escalate in those countries they are going to look to the U.S. and ask, why them and not us? This creates a sticky situation when it comes to strategy because we are now weighing the cost of human lives. How many people have to die before we get involved? It's an issue we wouldn't have to be dealing with had we not involved ourselves with Libya.

However we are involved and I wouldn't be so against it though if we had a clear definition as to what our goals are. We are being far too politically correct in this situation. "Kinetic Military Action" is one of the most idiotic things I've heard in my life. If it walks and quacks like a duck then it's a duck plain and simple. Intervention has worked before in Kosovo and Bosnia, but that's because the plan was clear and the goals were attainable. This time we seem far too concerned about hurting people's feelings despite the fact that we are making it rain bombs and cruise missiles.

Finally, I'd like to address a couple tidbits in this article.

-We haven't invaded Libya, so save the Hyperbole for the weak-minded. I won't say that it won't happen, but it hasn't happened yet.

-Yes, the majority of the military action is by our hand but that's the way it usually is. We are the tip of the spear. However that does not discount the backing of other nations. They are involved just as much as we are. So stop making this out to be a full on charge by the U.S.

-"If the fight against Qaddafi is important to you, do something about it yourself rather than expending the men and women who've volunteered to protect you." The U.S. military's job is not to protect the president. It is the job of the Secret Service to do that. The job of the military is to engage in war and military conflict either offensively or defensively. Just thought I should clear that up.

Hassan
Mon Apr 4 2011 13:07
Another awesome artical, Ian

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